I'm pro-choice.

[jazzfish]

There's not much else that needs to be said, but why let that stop me.

The decision to terminate a pregnancy involves two people: the woman whose pregnancy it is, and Nobody Else.

Abortion clinic protesters and firebombers, and other such domestic terrorists acting in the name of saving unborn babies, would be better served attacking in vitro fertilization clinics. Of course, if they did that they wouldn't get to feel all superior by shaming the dirty sluts.

Not that the anti-choicers have any semblance of moral consistency in any case.

Really, the minute you make an exception "in cases of rape or incest" you've given up on the whole "it's a child not a choice" nonsense. Murder is murder; why are you punishing an unborn child for having a rapist for a father?

Ezra Klein is a smart guy. I'm happy to see him attack the "abortion is icky" thinking that pervades a great deal of pro-choice dialogue.

Happy anniversary, RvW. May you see many more.

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[laughin.livejournal.com]

Why? I don't mean to be rude; I'm honestly curious. What about it upset you?

No problem.

1. I was trying to get pregnant with #2 baby and it was not as easy as #1 & #2 pregnancy.
2. My daycare provider cannot get pregnant and loves children and wants more, (she has one adopted child). Now she is thinking she will have to go overseas to get another child. I guess that is why abortion hurts me. I see so many people who want children who cannot physically have them and then I see an irresponsible teenager get pregnant because they are not thinking of the consequences. It is one of those life is not fair things.

It makes sense except for the utter incoherence of the "life" position. See above re: fertility clinics and "my abortion is ok!" It took me a long time to recognise that these are people who aren't interested in "life," they're interested in stopping (other) people from having Teh Sex.

I can get into this huge discussion about pro-choice being a poor term for some of the people who believe in a woman's right to choose abortion, but not a woman's right to choose things like, how to protect herself (gun control), and such. But I guess calling yourself "Pro-choice in cases of a woman deciding to have an abortion or not" is a little too long.

[nixve.livejournal.com]

So... the idea of a woman shooting someone who is threatening her life, home and livelihood is just fine, but the idea of a woman ending a pregnancy that is threatening her life, home and livelihood is somehow icky and shameful?

[(Anonymous)]

Where did you get the concept of icky and shameful in the comment to which you just responded?

[vvalkyri.livejournal.com]

Where did you get the concept of icky and shameful in the comment to which you just responded?

[laughin.livejournal.com]

No. You must not have read everything I wrote. Go back and read.

(Stupid LJ not taking my comments - I apologize if this gets posted multiple times)

I am pro-choice, but I don't like abortion and I think that is the way many people are.

My niece had an abortion and it upset me greatly.

But this is a fight that neither side will "win" because each side is looking at the issue as choice or life. Does that make sense?

I can get into this huge discussion about pro-choice being a poor term for some of the people who believe in a woman's right to choose abortion, but not a woman's right to choose things like, how to protect herself (gun control), and such. But I guess calling yourself "Pro-choice in cases of a woman deciding to have an abortion or not" is a little too long.

[laughin.livejournal.com]

By the way, in case you forgot, I HAD an abortion or so it was called on my medical paperwork when I had an ectopic pregnancy and had to end the pregnancy because:

1. It was not viable.
2. I could have lost a tube or died.

It was not shameful, but it was icky in the sense that I wanted the child and it ended up putting me in the psych hospital.

[laughin.livejournal.com]

Oh hell. Sorry to get so emotional about that. Sorry for the above nastiness.

[jazzfish]

Thank you.

I can get into this huge discussion about pro-choice being a poor term for some of the people who believe in a woman's right to choose abortion, but not a woman's right to choose things like, how to protect herself (gun control), and such.

Since that's not actually related to abortion in any way, can I assume that you concede that the right-to-lifers are, collectively, a bunch of incoherent hypocrites on the subject of abortion?

[laughin.livejournal.com]

I don't really think that. There are a few I would describe that way. Misguided may be a term I would use or ignorant.